More Obnoxious Liquor Stores Part II + one surprising good one

Sometimes when I have a lot of free time I’ll just go for a long walk in New York City and stop at every liquor store along my walk.  It’s good exercise, nice to be outside, and I like trying new neighborhoods that I’ve never been in (or haven’t visited in years since I move to the suburbs), so I try new stores.  Last night I went for a long walk up through the Upper East Side and hit up a bunch of stores, and three stood out.  The first two, well, just see the photos, you’ll understand.  The third one, as I got closer to Harlem was surprisingly good and worth checking out.  There were dozens of others that just didn’t have much but were not worthy of making the blog, either positively or negatively.

Big Apple Wine & Spirits: 1408 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10021…. Weller Reserve for $109, Thomas Handy for $699… come on guys.  Plus the guy at the front was extremely obnoxious.  Avoid this place.

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Manhattan Wine Xchange 1079 3rd Ave, New York, NY 10065: Weller 12 for $299, Kentucky Owl Rye for $269, Handy 500, Stagg 850… Why bother?

Crown Wine & Liquor 1587 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10028: This place was surprisingly good.  I picked up a ECBP B517 for retail as well as a Hirsch 20yr American Whiskey (from IL, so it probably stinks, but I’ve never seen it before on the shelf) for $99.99.  They had a Handy way in the back on the top of the shelf for $350, which is high, but for NYC, not obnoxiously high, so I passed on it.  I did offer them $250 cash, but the manager wasn’t there so the guy at the front didn’t know what to do.  They were fine, the selection was good, and the prices reasonable.

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More Obnoxious Liquor Stores… Avoid unless you want to get upset… Part I

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Sag Harbor Liquor Store: 52 Main St, Sag Harbor, NY 11963 …. Take a look at the prices on this one.  I realize this quaint store is based in the center of Sag Harbor riches, where most houses are second homes of Wall Street elite or primary residences of independently wealthy people who probably don’t even check prices… but these are insane.  $185 for Weller 107?  That’s a $30-35 bottle and it isn’t even a store pick. I find that one the most offensive, the $245 for Weller 12 750ml doesn’t even bother me as much, even though its 2x secondary. How about $1,600 for Michter’s 20, no not the one from a few years ago that was probably SW juice, this year’s release.  I know that’s the bottle in the background in Billions, but seriously guys.  There are so many more, but I had to leave the store before I got really angry.  Anyway, this store is one to steer clear of, don’t even get tempted.

Murray Hill NYC: Winfield-Llynn Ltd Wine & Spirits: 558 3rd Ave @ 37th st: COMPLETELY obnoxious… on the top shelf they have a bunch of bottles that we are all searching for, but are charging close to double secondary values.  When I asked if they are negotiable, the guy basically laughed at me.  What a joker.  Ignore this store…

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JL Wine & Liquors: 60 East 34th Street.  If you want bad service, lack of knowledge, and a Parkers Heritage 11 for $499.99, then this is the store for you!

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Beekman Liquor 500 Lexington Ave: besides horrible service, obnoxious people, you can get a 2017 BTAC George T Stagg there for $699!  Just the worst… avoid like the plague!

Madison Square Grapes: 342 7th Ave & 29th st.  You gotta see these photos to believe it… the funny thing is some of the prices aren’t insane, but some just make no sense at all.  Micthers 10 for $239.99, while EC18 is only $10 more?  Stagg Jr for $119.99 and Forged Oak for $189.99?  It almost makes their Seasoned Wood for $399.99 look like a bargain?

 

Kentucky Owl Rye Batch 1

Although I wasn’t able to get a bottle at retail, I did snag one from http://www.bottle-spot.com and it is trading for around $200 right now, which is not bad, if it turns out to be a high quality rye.  It’s 110.6 proof, lower than both the Handy and Pikesville, but at 11 years in the barrel, it’s almost double their age.  Distilled in Kentucky, I have no idea where this is originally from… this is my first Kentucky Owl product ever as the Bourbon has been too small of a production and too high of a secondary price.  I did try a dram at Jack Rose and loved it, however, I was about 10 drams into the evening, so who really knows?

On to the review… nice dark color, very inviting.  The nose has evolved quite a bit since I opened it this weekend.  I’m getting candied orange, rock candy, nutmeg, bubble gum, graham crackers and grapefruit rind.  The nose isn’t nearly as hot as the proof would suggest.

The mouthfeel is great, really grippy and bursting with flavor.  I’m really getting the orange and rock candy and spicy notes on the tongue.  The finish goes on for at least two minutes, hard to tell exactly because I keep drinking more before I get to three minutes.

This is a really nice rye.  It is expensive though.  I did a quick side by side analysis vs Thomas Handy, and although good, not quite at THH level.  Is it better than the Pikesville?  Well, it’s different, but it is also 3x more expensive–that hurts it a little bit.  The bottom line is this is a wonderful rye and if you like rye, you should absolutely try to get it and if your budget allows, you should pay up for it in the secondary market.  Pikesville will still be my go-to rye given the cost and availability, but if you are able to grab one of these, you will not be disappointed to add it to your whiskey cabinet.  95/100.

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Jack Rose: Old Fitzgerald BIB Stitzel Weller

Old Fitzgerald BIB Stitzel Weller:
Golden hue–just like expected. Baking spices, vanilla, heat is more than expected, creme brûlée and graham crackers.  If you were expecting me to orgasm at this point, unfortunately, you will be disappointed. The mouthfeel is good but nothing special. The taste is good, but again, not life altering. It’s solid but to be honest the finish very quickly turns bitter and isn’t that exciting. It’s similar to the Old Crow dusty in terms of enjoyment. The difference is the mouthfeel is slightly better but the bitterness on the finish is significantly worse. There is no Fucking way these bottles are worth even remotely close to what they go on the secondary market. I’m torn on how to rate this. If price was not a factor I would rate it two points lower than the dusty Old Crow, but my system takes price into account. 84/100.

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I Dipped It Myself! Maker’s 46 Cask Strength

Part of my trip to Kentucky several months ago included trip to Loretto to do the Maker’s tour.  At the end of the tour I bought a couple bottles and dipped them myself.  Maker’s Mark does one of the best tours of any distillery and is a must do for those making the trip to KY.  It’s a little out of the way, but totally worth it.  For now, Maker’s 46 Cask Strength is only available in the gift shop, but I’m told that will change soon.

Lots of baking spices: vanilla, cinnamon, allspice on the nose, raisin bread, mesquite chips and pencil shavings. Not too hot on the nose, good for a 110.7 proof Bourbon.

The palate is enjoyable, nice chew, decent oils, moderate and warm finish.  The spices come through strongly tickling the tongue, but the finish drops off.

Definitely one of the best tours on the tour, but not the best bourbon.  I prefer the original Maker’s to the 46, and the cask 46 is just more of it.  Enjoyable certainly, but nothing that’s a must try.  86/100.

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Four Roses Gift Shop Elliott’s Pick OBSF

Part of my Kentucky trip took me to the gift shop at Four Roses. I actually didn’t open this up until very recently and after I had already tried the Elliott’s Select, but after trying it I had to open this up as soon as possible.

This private single barrel is an OBSF, 50.3% abv, aged 11yrs and 7 months, from warehouse GW and is barrel # 81-1H.

Medium heat on the nose, dried grass, graham crackers, cloves, cracked walnuts and a hint of raspberry jam. Initially I’m a little disappointed by the nose compared to this year’s Elliott’s Select.

The taste is better and so is the mouthfeel. There’s a lot of spiciness on the palate that I was completely missing on the nose. It really tickles your tongue.  The tannins and oil nicely balance out the mouthfeel.

Overall this is a solid single barrel but not even close to the Elliott’s Select. The finish is quite long but it lacks some of the sweet notes that the other had. 87/100.

 

Johnny Drum Private Stock 101 Proof Gem

Johnny Drum is one of those hidden gems that those in Kentucky know about, but few people outside of the Bluegrass State have been made aware of yet.  It retails for around $32, is aged 15 years and comes from Bardstown, at the Willett Distillery.  It’s a sourced whiskey and I have know idea where the Willett boys find it, but where are you going to get 15 years Straight Kentucky Bourbon Whiskey for around thirty bucks?  I have the sneaky suspicion it’s a blend of stuff they think is not quite good enough for their WFE single barrel program, but still good enough to drink.

The color is a darker golden amber, shows the age without doubt.

There is an earthy aroma on the nose, mushrooms, dried hickory bark, but also baking spices with some brown sugar in the background.  It is an enjoyable nose with minimal heat.

The taste is good.  Upfront you get the richer notes which evolve into the spicy notes afterwards.  The palate is enjoyable and the finish is fairly long.

The is not a particularly complex bourbon, but it is enjoyable with rich notes given to it by the 15 years in the barrel.  It may be the stuff that doesn’t make it into the Willett Family Estate Single Barrel program, but it’s pretty good.  Not to mention the price, which can’t be beat.  It’s better that Forged Oak by a large margin, the only other 15 year bourbon easily available on the market, costing 2-3x (or more if some retailer is ripping you off).  90/100.

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